Re: [-empyre-] race net art bots

["claudia raddatz" <claudia@anat.org.au>]

i am not sure how the reduction actually happens, but i had a very hard time
believing that the commando soldiers that torture me for 6 days were really
humans ...

how could ONE, then, objectivise another person to this point of brutality
... most of my friends are buried, killed by ONEs that can kill and go to
church on sunday and eat christ's body and drink his blood ... most of my
female friends were raped while under ONEs that can rape women with no
remorse ... most of what i have seen in my life is pretty bad ... i don't
know how this  could happen but it happens ...

it is not AS WE REDUCE anything ... it has been pretty reduced a long time
ago ...

i have ABSOLUTELY NO INFERIORITY COMPLEX ABOUT WHO I AM ... on the contrary
I AM CONVINCED THAT THE GREATNESS TOOK PLACE THOUSANDS OF YEAR AGO and we
are living NOTHING BUT THE DEBRIS OF WHO WE ARE ... hence history books
saying, for instance, Newton discovered CALCULUS, yeah right i say walking
around Pyramids in the Yucatan peninsula, walking by the most gigantic wall
i have ever seen anywhere in the top of the Andes in Peru, and witnessing
people's drawings in Western Africa of the universe which only today make
sense to "the superior races" with the use of  modern TELESCOPES, and SO ON
AND SO FORTH ...

not a bit of inferiority complex just a lot of awe at whom we WERE
indeed, i find THIS TIME pathetic and i feel sorry for so much ignorance ...
i have to admit though THE CIVILISED CHRISTIAN WEST GOT MUCH MORE SUPERIOR
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, because if there is something SUPERIOR about
the conquerors is the capacity to KILL KILL KILL ...

i am not saying it is an exclusive capability, my people MAPUCHE PEOPLE ARE
PROUD AND GOOD WARRIORS but used violence only for defence, the LAND NEEDS
TO BE PROTECTED ... this was the demise of the great Aztec Empire, too many
deaths under their belly and when push came to shove too many TRADITIONAL
enemies joined with the new ones ...

PEACE AND BALANCE, say the MAPUCHE people are the MOST DESIRABLE STATES OF
BEING and FREEDOM IS CONDITION SINE QUA NON FOR BEING HUMAN, and there are
many ways of being enslaved ... it starts with not catching up the bits of
POP-AGANDA in our brains

POP-AGANDA, i saw propaganda written like this the other day in a web site
that deals with cultural alienation, i think it looks good ... propaganda is
interchangeable for  pop culture in more than one way ... ONE needs to be
very vigilant because pop-aganda is pervasive!!!

cheers claudia {;-)

>

> On 24/7/03 10:59 AM, "tobias c. van Veen" <tobias@rhizome.org> wrote:
>
>> I think as soon as we reduce other humans to "bots," no matter how evil they
>> are... we become no better than they.
>>
>
> well it is said only half seriously, in a sci-fi kind of way, however when
> you've been stalked relentlessly on every communication channel you've got
> (and has every friend who has every supported you in this issue) for over
> five years, you tend to become a little jaded about it I guess.
>
> of course however the stalker and damali's respondent are human!!! all too
> human!!!  I also didn't want to give a gender to the stalker or a name as in
> a way I am protecting 'it' from itself. I just wish they would move on. but
> lets not talk too much more about the stalker as it may get wind of the
> discussion here and come out seeking vengeance. it is like that. however the
> point remains about the power of email abuse, via the screen to one's
> person, it isn't nothing, it is something.
>
> damali says she rejoices everytime she gets a response, as it is a sign of
> life out there that her work has triggered into action, into 'speaking
> itself' or an aspect of itself into life
>
> the machine/bot idea is said in a deleuzian/guattarian sense of 'how the
> machine becomes apparent', in this case being able to see the machine speak
> itself through a complex 'assemblage of enunciation', where words are 'order
> words' and direct discourse (or what is said) springs out of language or
> 'free indirect discourse'.  as in:
>
>  "direct discourse is a detached fragment of a mass and is born of the
> dismemberment of the collective assemblage; but the collective assemblage is
> always like the murmur from which I take my proper name, the constellation
> of forces, concordant or not, from which I draw my voice....my direct
> discourse is still the free indirect discourse running through me, coming
> from  other world or planets. That is why so many artists and writers have
> been tempted by the séance table"
>
>
> when damali refereed to the incident is australia which happened when a
> liberal (australia's republicans) party media advisor referred to the one
> labour voter in a liberal electorate as the 'nigger in the woodpile' he was
> revealling the collective assemblage of enunciation that he was part of.
> interestingly, this phrase was said by another australian, the head of bmw
> or some big car company, he is the ceo of the entire international company
> and said this phrase at a press breakfast in germany, to general uproar.
> later they sent press releases to everyone there saying that this was a
> phrase said a lot in australia. but to be honest, I had never heard it. so
> it is said a lot by members of a particular collective assemblage of
> enunciation, ie the power elite in this country and reveals much about the
> way they think. their language (and consequent actions speak) through them
> and in this abstract way turns them into 'bots'.
>
>
>
>>
>> tV
>>
>> ps. I like the bot idea, the end paragraph especially... but I just can't
>> agree. The machines yes ... the machines of hate ... but there are always
>> humans as cogs ... humans that love as well as hate. The audio-artist Terre
>> Thaemlitz has a great essay in his album _Lovebomb_ that traces the
>> love/hate binary. For all love, there is love of something, and thus, hatred
>> of another.
>>
>>> thanks mendi for posting those links, the exhibition program for the race in
>>> digital cultures conference looks amazing -- what an incredible screening
>>> program
>>> http://cms.mit.edu/race/about.html
>>> --------
>>>
>>> as to the response damali posted here from the rent a negro site, that guy -
>>> what a jerk.
>>>
>>> I have had an internet stalker for over five years now, who continually
>>> since 1998 has sent the most deranged and ugly mails to me. It also got on
>>> the telephone endlessly and repeatedly -- significant as it was calling
>>> australia from hungary, so we had to change all the telephone numbers. it is
>>> a historic legacy, a legacy system, someone else's baggage etc that I
>>> inherited (like a lot of other things in this world) but nonetheless...
>>>
>>> I call it an "IT' as it as a communication entity, some kind of bot
>>>
>>> that is how I read that response, as if it was from an automated hate
>>> machine
>>>
>>> emails such as the 'response' damali got are meant to do just that, attack
>>> you, be a blast through the screen with hate and vitriol. they radiate. they
>>> have a form of power that I don't think we have articulated very well yet,
>>> in internet theory/discussions, as it is difficult to articulate, but I
>>> think they work at the level of the body. they go straight to your heart,
>>> little poison arrows.
>>>
>>> if you let them of course. but you have to work out a way to defend yourself
>>> against them and that is why they are so powerful initially. one can't say
>>> that they don't come as a shock at first. then you kind of see them as
>>> symptoms of something else.
>>>
>>> I think that is one of the things that is so interesting about the site rent
>>> a negro -- it is triggering bots all over the place, it seems, which allow
>>> the machine of hate, confusion and contradiction to become more transparent,
>>> to be able to be seen in motion, wheels turning, engines roaring, emails
>>> flying
>>>
>>> linda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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